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Professor and talk show host Marc Lamont Hill was a guest on CNN‘s Erin Burnett Out Front Tuesday night (April 21), this time squaring off against former NYPD detective Harry Houck. The pair got into it as they were discussing the curious death of Baltimore man Freddie Gray while he was in police custody, sparking Hill to bring up the uncomfortable possibility that Blacks have become targets.

The segment featured the guests discussing Gray’s case and the reaction of residents in Baltimore angered at the lack of information and suspicions of foul play. The exchange between Hill and Houck got a bit testy, especially after calm words in the opening of the statement from the professor.

“The argument that I’m making here is that black people die at the hands of law enforcement at a disproportionately high rate,” said Hill. “This isn’t about white officers against Black people, it’s about a police force that tends to over-criminalize and overly use brutality against Black Bodies.”

Houck countered saying that there are far more white officers policing Black criminals thus the numbers skewing in the fashion they have been but disagreed with Hill that police are murdering people at will. From there, Hill responding and shut down Houck’s assessment that the only legit case of murder involving a police officer was the Walter Scott case in South Carolina which was caught on tape.

Words don’t do justice for the exchange, so we invite you to watch the discussion below.

Do you think Marc Lamont Hill has a point here? Is Harry Houck correct in his views? Let us know in the comments.


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